#19 Anger Management: 101 with Juna Mustad

Introduction Of Podcast

The guest for this episode is Juna Mustad. She is one of world’s leading corporate mindfulness coach. In this episode, Mohit & Juna discuss how one can approach their bouts of anger more mindfully & channelise into something more positive.


(00:00 – 01:06) – Introduction
(02:06 – 04:10) – Juna’s Journey Into Anger Management
(04:53 – 07:59) – How To Positively Chanelize Your Anger
(09:25 – 13:33) – Simple Anger Management Tools
(18:07 – 21:39) – How To Channel Anger To Your Advantage
(21:40 – 24:16) – Whats Underneath Your Anger?
(24:20 – 30:22) – How To Understand Your Anger Better?
(30:55 – 32:17) – Juna’s Hack To Deal With Anger

Key Takeaways – Transcripts

Intro (Mohit): A stat I recently read, which also allowed me was that nearly one in ten Americans have severe anger issues. Roughly 22 million Americans, 81% of the adult population have impulsive anger issues. Some experts suggest that the average adult gets angry about once a day and annoyed or peeved about three times a day. None of these stats are glorifying. And this begs the question, how can we reduce anger or broadly optimize or channel our anger for the best? To help us understand anger better, we are joined by Juna Mustad. She is a corporate mindfulness coach and author and expert in mindfulness anger. She has been teaching and coaching emotional intelligence, mindfulness and skills for building healthy and effective relationships. In this episode, we talk how one can channel their anger mindfully and turn it into something positive. We discuss about the various tools that one can equip themselves with and deal with their bouts of anger more efficiently. Let’s get into it.

(Mohit): Hey, Juna, welcome to the podcast. Great to have you here. How are you doing?

(Juna): I’m good, thank you. Happy to be here. Super excited.

Question (Mohit): And today we discuss super special topic, which is actually quite a common topic and something that actually bothers millions, if not billions of people out there. But we would love to go a little deeper, double click down on the neurobiological processes that happened because of anger. Today we’re discussing anger and then discuss some of the really interesting facts and methods around how to overcome anger and actually handle it or make it work for your advantage. Juna, great to have you here. Of course, the first time we chance to work with you on the Ultrahuman series as well, which we did around anger management. And yeah. Before we begin, we’d love to really understand from your side, how did you get here, what’s your story? And just for our listeners, just to set the background up. 

Answer (Juna): Oh, thank you all. Happy to be here and it’s been so fun to do the work that I’ve done with Ultrahuman so far. And how I got here is kind of not in a journey that I expected to be on, but, you know, I grew up in a family where one of my parents was kind of consistently angry and would erupt in anger. He was not physically violent but would erupt in anger quite suddenly. And as a child, I feel like I learned very young that anger is a bad emotion, is an ugly emotion, and I really pushed it away for a long time. Fast forward many, many years and I was in a relationship with a partner, and I feel like kind of capitalized on the fact that I didn’t have a healthy relationship with my boundaries, with dealing with conflict. I was very conflict avoidant and really didn’t like feeling angry. And I think that he took advantage of that. And unfortunately, it turned out to be a pretty psychologically abusive relationship. And it was actually my anger that came up year almost four of that relationship that helped me get out of that relationship. And I started to realize that, yes, anger is a very challenging emotion, but if we can develop a healthy relationship with it, it’s also a messenger that’s trying to communicate something with us. And so I started to form a healthy relationship with anger at that point and started to really blend mindfulness and mindfulness education with anger and bridging those two and started leading workshops and did a Ted Talk on the topic. And I’m currently writing a book, even though it’s been a slow process. So that’s a little bit of my journey into this world of mindfulness and anger.

Question (Mohit): Wow, that sounds almost unreal and counterintuitive to how anger is perceived around the world. If I recollect every anger emotion that I recollect in my life, I associate it with a negative emotion and not a positive one. And I think, as you mentioned, this association might actually tell us what’s wrong or what’s right. Maybe when we try to think from a moral perspective, but not necessarily how do we actually make it work for us. Because anger is also a natural emotion. It’s not an unnatural emotion, right? So we’d love to really understand how does it actually work? It sounds fascinating, but practically how do you see it working like an emotion, like anger, which is supposed to be which sometimes could be high energy and could lead to like downstream affects that are not so positive. How do you channel it to become something positive and energize yourself?

Answer (Juna): Yeah, it’s a great question and it’s not an easy journey. You’re right. I mean, I think for most of us on this planet, we have a negative association with anger and for very good reason. When we feel angry, it’s because that fight response is getting triggered in our bodies, in our brains. And anger takes us very quickly into reacting. And it’s really easy to kind of lose our access to kind of our prefrontal cortex, the wise, aware part of our brain when we’re angry. So we call that the amygdala hijack. And then from that space, we’re more likely to say cruel things, be aggressive, be hurtful, throw something. We’re kind of literally like four year olds when our anger and that fight response has hijacked our brain. So I think it’s a really important question is like, how do we actually develop a healthy relationship with it? And before I go into answering that question, I really like to use this analogy, which if you listen to the Ultrahuman series I did on anger, you’ll hear it several times, which is anger is like a child. We don’t want to let it drive the car and we don’t want to stuff it in the trunk either. And the reason I highlight this quote so often is because I think that for most of us, we only learn that there’s two ways to handle anger. You either erupt with it, so you let it drive the car, or you stuff it in the back of the car, in the trunk, and you try to squash that emotion or you morph it into sadness or other feelings or depression. And so we have to learn a middle ground. And this is really where mindfulness comes in. And for me, and I love Shauna Shapiro, she says that mindfulness really is bringing presence and curiosity and compassion to the present moment. And I think that’s what we really have to do with anger. And so what I love to do and imagine is that anger isn’t driving the car. Anger isn’t stuffed in the trunk. It gets to sit in the back seat of the car with its seatbelt on, and we, the healthy adult, gets to drive the car. And that’s really what I like to kind of imagine first, is what we’re doing to kind of forge this healthier relationship with anger. And there’s a lot of tools that go into doing this. But one of the main things that is so important is that we have to practice these tools, because without practicing them, without repetition and patience, we can’t kind of grow those neural pathways that take us down these new channels, these new ways of relating to our anger. So I’ll just pause for a moment before I go into any tools, but any thoughts or questions on any of that so far?

Question (Mohit):  Yeah, absolutely. I mean, this is a revelation, right? It’s not me, it’s my amygdala. That’s actually the issue. The way you explained it, that a part of brain amygdala actually gets hijacked. And the other analogy that you made, which is basically, anger is like a child. You can’t let it drive the car. You can’t stuff it in the trunk. Now, this, the collection of these two statements actually just brings so much empathy to people, like, to somebody who’s angry, right? Because it is a natural biological process. And if we learn to deal with it, it is like dealing with anything else. Like, it’s like just learning how to skateboard, right? If you don’t know how to skateboard, then obviously you’re going to fall. But you want to skateboard, right? And it is when you learn how to skateboard, you from the muscle memory and understand how the world of skateboarding actually works. This is really, really cool. And this is especially interesting when you think about tools in mindfulness and when you think about tools that help you reduce anxiety or help you bring calm. Anger is specifically an emotion which is high energy, right? So when you try to visualize anger, it does not appear to be something that brings calm naturally, right? So within all the mindfulness emotions, this is probably the most high energy emotion, right? So as a ley user, as a ley individual in normal life, what is the least that I could do. Like, let’s say let’s talk about the simplest tool out there that I could practice and maybe I can remember easily so that I can practice forever on a daily basis. 

Answer (Juna): Yeah, that’s a great question, and I want to just highlight that I want to offer these tools both to people who typically erupt with anger. So a lot of times we think about people that get angry as just the people who erupt, but there’s also people who stuff. And those people also need support with how to create a healthier relationship with anger. There’s actually been research that shows that if you stuff your anger, it creates just as many health issues as if you erupt with it consistently. So I want to speak to both parties here, and I think one of the primary tools, and this one is just so obvious that we can often forget it, but it’s breath. And, you know, if you start to feel yourself getting angry, or if you start to feel yourself stuffing your anger and wanting to kind of collapse, taking some slow, deep breaths helps send signals to the brain, to the nervous system that help engage our parasympathetic nervous system. So that’s really the rest and digest the more calming, relaxing, grounded part of our nervous system. And what that does is it helps awaken again, that prefrontal cortex that we’ve lost contact with when we’re more stuck in that fight response. So it helps kind of calm down the inner four year old and bring the adult, the wise adult, online. So breath is key. And one thing that I’ll do when I’ve started to feel angry is I’ll just take four second inhales and then these really slow four, five, six second exhales. And if you can try to breathe in through the nose, breathe out through the nose and elongating the exhale has also been shown to really help engage that parasympathetic nervous system. And there’s a reason that the say, hey, you’re feeling angry? Go take ten deep breaths. It’s because it actually works. It helps, again, that wise part of the brain come online. So breathing number one, if you’re an anger eruptor or an anger stuffer, taking space is really helpful. So say you’re angry at a coworker or you’re angry at a partner and you’re feeling yourself about to say something really cruel, or you’re about to lash out in some way, distancing yourself from the situation can be really helpful. Just going and taking a walk or going in another room, just getting a little bit of distance from it and seeing if you can take those deep breaths can also be another really powerful step. And again, these are so simple. But in the heat of the moment, just like you said, anger compels us to move towards whatever we’re angry at. So you’re right. Like the other emotions, like fear or sadness or shame, compel us to retreat. We want to pull away from whatever the stimulus is, but anger invites us to move towards it. And so actually doing the opposite, pausing, taking a step back, taking some deep breaths, helps us come back into ourselves. So those are probably the two main tools. The third one that I’ll just kind of drop in here, and this was based on a study at UCLA, is you just name what you’re feeling and you name it out loud or you just name it to yourself. And what the study found was that this can also calm that amygdala hijack so for instance, for me, and I got angry at my partner the other day and I just stepped away because I was about to say something really mean to him. I stepped into the bathroom, I took some deep breaths and I just closed my eyes and I named I’m feeling angry right now and I’m feeling tight in my jaw and my fists are clenching. And you name it without any judgment, you just name what you’re feeling. And again, that helps awaken that wise prefrontal cortex when we do that. So those are three main tools.

Question (Mohit):  Wow, these are such simple tools. And the third one specifically, I remember, I think Diana Winston speaking about this sometime back naming the meotion, right? It’s such a powerful and a simple tool, but the simple ones are the most powerful ones because these are the ones that you can actually remember and sort of like take away easily and replicate them every day. The visual memory that you have created for a visual image that you created for anger, for example, in this case, is that it’s something that actually takes you towards the source of anger. So it has sort of like a pull and then fear, shame takes you away, right? And the idea is to probably do neither and to actually have some bit of a distance and take a pause somewhere in the middle, be comfortable with the distance as well as the proximity of anger around you. Is that the right way to visualize it?

Answer (Juna): Yeah, I think that it is healthy  to kind of slow everything down. And again, some of the things I’m sharing here, some of the anger stuffers out there, might be like, okay, yeah, I’m going to just use these tools to continue to stuff my anger. And that’s not what I’m saying either. I think you’re right. It’s not about moving towards things and letting anger drive the car. It’s not about stuffing in either. It’s about just slowing everything down, coming back into our bodies, slowing down the Amygdala Hijack so that we can also open to the message of anger. Because I really do believe that. I believe that anger can sometimes be a secondary emotion or a primary emotion, but when it’s a primary emotion, there’s a message that it’s trying to communicate with us so that we can come back to our partner and say, hey, the way you just talked to me didn’t feel good and we need to have a talk about that versus AARRGHHH. How dare you talk to me that way? I think that what I also want to invite is that when we are relating to our anger from a healthy place, we can respond to the situation in front of us appropriately. We can respond in a way that’s actually an alignment for what’s needed and sometimes that might be to engage in the conflict, but to do it from a healthy place.

(Mohit):  A lot of that, by the way, what you just spoke about has to actually come out in the form of movies. In the form of literature that we eat all around because the way anger is always portrayed and I think a lot of learning that happens subconsciously for us and for like everybody out around us, right? Especially children. Is the way they learn to or the way they visually see how somebody gets angry is how they will try to be angry as well. Even though this looks simple, but this is so counterintuitive and so not available out there. You can probably name 100 movies out of which 99 cases anger is always shown as an extreme emotion where people have almost always given into the emotion. And there are very few cases people have actually figured out a way to suppress it or to actually go above it in terms of handling it in a much better way.

(Juna): We don’t have good models out there for what actually appropriate anger looks like. And that’s one of the reasons I’m so passionate about this topic, is we need to see people out there navigating handling anger in a way that is healthy and not stuffing it, not erupting with it.You’re absolutely right.

Question (Mohit):  I would even take another step and say that the violent expression of anger is often also celebrated. Sometimes it’s in action movies or let’s say even in high action drama where it’s much more fun for a third party, for an observer to see somebody to be angry and to take a violent kneejerk reaction, given kneejerk reaction to an emotion versus basically to handle it in a calm composed in a real life way because potentially real life is perceived to be boring. Personally, I’ll be super excited about seeing the book out. Would love to definitely do our bit in terms of promoting it as well as much as possible. So this is all the part around managing anger in a much better way. The other aspect of this was challenging anger to your advantage, which sounds equally counterintuitive. And let’s say the closest I’ve heard something around this is basically channeling your revenge to actually better outcomes. Is that the same emotion or is that the same method? I would love to understand from your side, how does that work? Like, how do you channel your anger to actually leverage it for better?

Answer (Juna): Yeah, it’s a great question. Again, I think that it starts with opening people to this idea that there are no negative emotions, there are only unhealthy things that we can do with our emotions. So like you said at the very beginning, anger is a natural emotion. We all have it, every human on the planet. I don’t care how enlightened you are, you still get angry. And I think that there is just something about accepting that. And I really do believe that at its core, the essence of this emotion is a boundary, is a no, is a standing up against injustice. And I think that those are really important and I think, you know, anger really illuminates the things that we want to protect, that we value, that we love. And so, you know, when we can connect with this idea that anger isn’t bad, it’s not this super negative emotion, it’s actually just another emotion. Like all emotions is a messenger, it’s just trying to communicate something to us. Then we can open to the idea that this emotion is actually just an ally. It can be here to help us better get make changes in our life, take action. It can help us get to know  our true sense of self, our boundaries. And I’ve also had personally, the experience of anger, helping me heal from trauma, from sexual trauma from my past, from trauma, from being in that psychologically abusive relationships. Actually connecting with my anger and letting myself roar and feel it was really, really not only cathartic, but it was a way that I was reclaiming myself again in the face of some of those experiences. So there can be a really healthy aspect to anger that again, is very misunderstood, I think, in our world. And yeah, so those are a few little glimpses into what that could look like.

Question (Mohit):  That’s really interesting. You can say definition of probably that’s one of the most interesting definitions of anger I’ve ever heard. That probably the evolutionary reason why we have anger. Everybody has anger is because we need to stand up against injustice. That needs anger, right? And if something has stayed within the body for millions of years, the human body, and it has evolved, there is definitely a need. That’s why it has survived. So this is a crucial element of our evolution and people have survived with it. So it’s not like anger has led to the decline or the downfall of human evolution. So maybe we need to understand it a little bit better. Maybe it’s a superpower that we don’t know about. So if I have the superpower to vaporize things and all I end up doing is vaporizing myself, it means I just haven’t learnt the ability to master that superpower. Maybe it’s just that.

(Juna): One thing I’d love to just highlight here, and this is a really important distinction, that when I work with clients or I’ve even worked with groups, I really am interested in helping people start to discern what’s underneath my anger. Because like I kind of hinted at earlier, there can be anger, which is a primary emotion, and anger, which is a secondary emotion. And so anger, that’s a primary emotion. Underneath that anger is sometimes an injustice or a boundary that’s been crossed or a no that’s not being honored by yourself or someone else or an expectation that hasn’t been met. And then anger when it’s a secondary emotion. And when I say secondary emotion, what you can imagine is it’s almost like a jacket that we wear over a second emotion. So we’re kind of wearing this big puffy armor to protect us and shield us from a more vulnerable feeling. When anger is a secondary emotion, oftentimes what’s underneath it is sadness or is shame, or is trauma or deep pain or fear. And so a lot of times people mistake anger for actually what’s underneath it, which is actually just fear. So if somebody you’re driving around for me here, I’m in Bali and I’ll be driving around my motorbike and if someone hit my motorbike, I might react with how dare you hit my car? But what I’m truly feeling is fear. I almost just got hit. I almost just got something bad almost just happened. And so we wear anger as a secondary emotion. And I think that it’s really important, again, if you’re wanting to create a healthier relationship with your anger to begin to recognize when it’s a secondary emotion and there’s really actually something more vulnerable underneath it versus when it’s a primary emotion. One of the most important things that I really try to help people do is get to know whether they are feeling anger and is it really anger like underneath what they’re feeling? Is it truly anger and a boundary has been crossed or there’s an injustice or a value isn’t being honored or there’s a no or is underneath their anger another emotion that’s just more vulnerable? And the big thing I really try to do with people is connect. If they are using anger as a secondary emotion, connect with the deeper emotion underneath it, which a lot of times is much more vulnerable for people. That grief, that sadness.

Question (Mohit): Wow. that’s very, very profound. I think one of the things I would love to really, because I’m a visual learner, I would love to understand from your side what is one of the best ways to actually go deep into the topic of anger for themselves, right? So any movies, podcasts, books, maybe something that is more visual in nature that one can actually understand. It seems true to actually understand the nature of anger or something else, like something that you would have gone through and you would have realized, oh, this is very relevant to anger as a topic or a subject.

 Answer (Juna): That’s a great question. That’s why I’m starting to write my book because I haven’t found a lot of things that really spoke to me. But I know there are so many good books out there. I really love the book Emotional Intimacy by Robert Augustus Masters and he goes into all the different emotions and starts to break them down and has practices in there to help you get to know the different emotions. And then also there’s a book by Carla McLaren called The Language of Emotions and also the way that she approaches emotions. There’s no stigmatized, no negative emotion, and it really is just about creating a deeper relationship with your different emotions. So those two books stand out to me as really kind of helpful guides in forging a new relationship with this emotion. And the main thing I just also would invite for people is just curiosity. The neurotransmitter for curiosity is dopamine. So not only when you bring curiosity to your anger does that help you create a healthier relationship with it, but it also starts to release some of that dopamine which is that feel-good hormone. So I’m a big fan of OK, anger is here. Hmmm. I’m going to take some deep breaths and see if I can just get curious about this emotion a little bit, what it might be trying to say, what might be underneath it. All as a way to kind of open me a little deeper to relating to whatever is here. 

Question (Juna): That’s really interesting way to actually think about anger because once you start going down the rabbit hole of neurobiology or evolution, it becomes almost robotic because instinctively you will sometimes, or subconsciously you will actually get into an anger state. And then if you can consciously remember to be curious. Which is in many ways way more. Let’s say, entertaining than actually trying to come down. I’m not saying that coming down is not great. But let’s say if you’re looking for an entertaining method. potentially staying curious. Like almost robotically saying that. Oh. I’m angry right now. Maybe my cortisol is up. Which basically means my heart rate would be up as well. So we can feel your heart rate and then maybe name your emotions and then maybe basically figure out what would be happening inside my body is essentially that I’m getting into a fight state. Just this realization, this four step and maybe going deeper into the neurobiology or the evolution of anger might actually help you think clearly. Is that the right way to think? 

Answer (Juna): Absolutely. I love that four steps that you had and I think that just slowing things down and starting to notice the sensations, name what you’re experiencing, tying it to what’s happening in the brain, all of those things help engage that wise part of our brain again, the prefrontal cortex, which when we’re in the fight response, we lose contact with. So for me also, when I started to really understand the neuroscience of all of this and of anger and what’s happening in our brain, it really helped me then in the moment when I felt angry. I was like, oh, Juna, you just flipped your lid right now. You lost contact with your prefrontal cortex. OK, now what do you have to do? What are the tools again? Okay, take deep breaths. All those things really helped me and served a purpose for me to really come back online with myself. So I love that.

(Mohit): I was reading through one of the worst Wall Street crashes that happened in 2008 and how traders actually reacted to a crash like that, right? So one of the things that came out was a case study which I read, where the folks who actually went through this by in an emotional way, by basically feeling sad, but feeling unlucky, or by feeling extremely, you can say cheated, they are the ones who actually suffered the most. And obviously there was financial loss as well. But then there were a few set of people who actually tried to understand the crisis, like, why did this actually happen? Why did we lose money? And what can we do in the future to actually not lose money? So some people took an objective lens towards it. So there was this case study that those people actually, even though they were financially affected in a similar manner, they were able to create an objective framework around how to get out of it, what is the effort required to get out of it for themselves, and how can they not repeat the same mistakes in the future? So probably the similarities.

(Juna):  Yes, I love that. And it sounds like they were generating some understanding through some curiosity, asking some important questions, and instead of just going into the reaction, they were kind of, OK, what can I learn from this? What do I need to see about this? What needs to change here? And I think that that is really important. Even when we get angry or we stuff our anger to kind of be able to one author that I’ve read before talks about it as like, stand on the balcony, almost like you’re looking down at yourself in the situation, but you’re up on a balcony and you’re just kind of taking a step back. You’re up on the balcony looking down, and you’re saying, what do I need to see here? What do I need to understand? Being curious, questioning your reactions, questioning even what’s happened, I think all of that can be really healthy. 

Question (Mohit): That’s really cool because it almost seems like curiosity is sort of like a master tool around everything, right? I mean, whether anxiety, fear, anger sounds totally counterintuitive, but it also sounds logical because the neurobiological definition you gave, which is basically, if you’re sort of like triggering dopamine, then there is a significantly higher chance that you can say, initiate your prefrontal cortex and you’ll sort of like, get back to your amygdala. Yeah. And there’s another tool too, that I appreciate. So when I feel angry, I’m a big fan also of just putting my hand on my heart. And for some of the listeners, this might sound kind of cheesy, but what research has shown is that when you put your hand on your heart, it releases oxytocin. And oxytocin conveys a sense of safety and calm to your whole body. So, like, dopamine it’s another feel good hormone. And so just putting a hand on your heart, taking some deep breaths or maybe even just massaging your upper thighs or giving yourself a bear hug, all are ways that we can release oxytocin. And oxytocin is truly kind of the antidote to cortisol. So the stress hormone is cortisol and oxytocin is that kind of safety, feel good hormone. So these are also really simple things we can do to kind of work with our biology in moments when we’re having a physiological response, when we’re in that fight response, you can give yourself a hug, you can put your hand on your heart, you can generate curiosity. And knowing that research actually shows these things release positive hormones in your body that help you soothe and calm down and help you have more access to that prefrontal cortex again.

(Mohit): That’s really phenomenal, Juna. This has been a really phenomenal conversation. And I must say that I’ve learned both as an individual personally as well as for our listeners, this is extremely, extremely valuable. Not just because the scientific information that you basically provided in terms of how anger actually works, but also practical tools, many of these being super simple, yet these are the ones that actually we miss out on. So I really appreciate you taking time out here. I appreciate you sort of like making time for this. And I think we would love to chat further in terms of how do we actually do more stuff. And then when the book comes out, we would love to also, in some ways, in any way possible, help around with distribution. And to our listeners out there, I think the message that I would love to give away and then I will leave it to you, Juna, to actually sort of summarize it for us as well. But from my side, what I really learned from this conversation is the fact that when you treat things with curiosity, that’s been the highlight for myself. Most things become clearer and most things actually, especially anger, something that is portrayed as a negative emotion starts becoming more and more objective and simplified. So that’s my number one takeaway apart from all those amazing tricks and methods that I would love to remember and practice whenever I come across anger as an emotion. But yeah, over to you Juna to summarize from your side and any message that you would love to give to our listeners in terms of the session, thank you for that.

(Juna): And I love that curiosity was a big takeaway for you. I think that it’s a really powerful one and I’d say that to the listeners. I just share this quote by Victor Frankel that I just absolutely love, which is “between stimulus and response is a space. And in that space lies our freedom and power to choose a response.” And I think that’s essentially what we’re talking about here with anger is that for a lot of anger eruptors, they don’t know that there’s a space there, they just go right into anger, driving the car right into erupting and learning to create a little bit of space between whatever the stimulus is. And then your response to us response to it is huge. And you start to then grow those new neural pathways that make it easier and easier to do it. And so for anyone listening. Just these steps of taking some slow, deep breaths. Stepping away from the situation. Slowing everything down. Getting curious like we’ve talked about today. Maybe putting your hand on your heart or giving yourself a bear hug. Things that just help kind of calm down your physiological response. That fight flight response can be really huge because it helps you have more access to your rational self. Your wise aware prefrontal cortex. It’s much easier for that to come back online. That’s really the essence of what I want to invite for people just to be in the practice of. And what I’ve noticed for myself and my clients is the more and more that you practice these things, the easier and easier it gets to then not just erupt with anger. 

(Mohit): So that’s really it super amazing. This is so cool. Thank you, Juna, for making time and there are some really amazing takeaways and yeah, look forward to doing more. And thank you for everything. Thank you so much.

Outro (Mohit): So wonderful to be here with you. I hope that was insightful for you. The source of anger can be multifold, but then the approach to deal with can be more or less the same if you equip yourself with the current mental tools. If you understand how to understand your anger. Please share this episode with your friends and family, especially the ones they can benefit and manage their anger more mindfully. I’m sure all of us can actually learn a fair bit from this. You can also share how you overcame your anger issues by tagging us @UltrahumanHQ on Twitter and Instagram. We would love to have a conversation around this topic. I’ll see you soon with another episode.

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